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Marvin

Level 24: 12sec improvement. Lost a second at very beginning, but then it was really great till red key. RNG was literally perfect. Many double kills that are usually not possible. Later on I did a few small mistakes due to insecurity, I didn't practice the level much. After this run I stopped ...

Marvin

Ok, I did one more. :lol: Level 23. A week ago I would not believe I can improve by half a minute, but there it is, 32sec improvement. Basicly same route, just better tactics at some places, skipping extra shield next to blue key and obviously better execution. Also you can't ask for much better RNG ...

Marvin

I decided to suffer more in L20 during last days and I improved by 18secs to 3:22. Happy about that! It is harder than it might look. There is no way to force bombs robot to behave in a way you can destroy them quickly, it is just waiting for luck. And luck actually plays a role in all parts of this ...

Marvin

I have no idea. Also, I don't know if the game is deterministic and reacts the same way if your inputs are same (which is of course only possible with tool assistance), or robots reaction is randomly generated. Anyway, I would not be interested in playing modified game to have an edge like that. I ...

Marvin

Ok, thanks for insights! I have one more run. L20. True nightmare to speedrun on insane. You need a lot of luck for fast start. And then you just die because of roaming green platform robot anyway, or if you survive, you can't catch red keybot quickly.. This run is only 2sec faster than the old one ...

Marvin

Yeah, long distance shooting is difficult, especially when you are in a narrow corridor, so you can't adjust your aiming by sliding, which is esencial for keyboard playing. Aiming is done by combination of moving and pitching (at least for me). But I believe I developed quite good accuracy over the ...

Marvin

I tried L14 again and it payed off. 5:19. I'm fine with that run, I will not go further.

Marvin

Oh, I thought you know I'm keyboard player. For that matter it is important to have a keyboard with good antighosting system, so you can hit many buttons at the same time. I have never played with mouse or joystick. My default set up (which I for example used in my recent full game insane run that ...

Marvin

Hmm, I would say most of my recent improvements are double digit, haha. This year, I went for improving levels 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 13, 14, 19, 27. And only level 1 and 27 were single digit improvements. But these two levels are actually close to its limits I believe. About my newest run - L14: New time ...

Marvin

L10 - 19sec improvement. The technique used to blow up reactor is pure gamble. It happens quite often that reactor survive. If you pay attention you will see "you cannot open this door" message before the reactor was destroyed and last red mech was destroyed even later. It means homing missile ...

Marvin

Thank you! In total I have spent so much time by improving insane speedruns of all individuals levels, that I believed I should be capable of doing this run. But it was still seriously challenging. No matter how much shield you have, any roaming missile robot on a bad spot can cause sudden death ...

Marvin

Hello, I believe it was discussed many times during basicly 30 years of Descent existence, but I don't think there is recorded full game single segment deadless run yet. Actually, did anybody achieved it at all? I recently practiced for it and made it happen. Twice! When I did it first time, I was ...

Marvin

I missed this thread. I actually recently made such a run. Completely deadless! Without any saving, just a single try! But I accidentaly didn't save the demo

Marvin

What can I say...

Marvin

Make a demo next time you try,would love to watch! When I make it deathless, I will post whole run on youtube. Meanwhile I got new run on level 27. Above all expectations. I knew I can do theoretically better than current 2:40, but my Boss fight there was so good, that even when I was 5 sec ahead ...

Marvin

I have a route for insane-max full game. Yesterday 3 deaths, ingame time 2h47min. Making it deathless will be really hard, there is always some unexpected deadly roaming happening or you simply make a mistake during such a long run. But I will keep trying!

Marvin

Thanks! I think now it is time to move on and practice for the ultimate descent challenge!

Marvin

Ok, I moved to L13. More or less same route, but I changed a bit fighting tactics in some places. I managed improve from 5:24 to 5:11, then ridiculous series of events happened (during whole week). I have finished it 5 times under 5:10 (1x 5:07, 3x 5:06, 1x 5:05), but in all cases one baby spider ...

Marvin

Thanks. What is triggering me more is first floor. I was 5sec faster entering blue door quite often (best tries were 10, but that is very rare). After that it is pure lottery. All parts can be done better, but having perfect RNG everywhere is close to impossible. In this case it was overally very ...

Marvin

Ok, let's go to the hell. Level 19. Improved by 20sec to 5:11. After that I still kept trying, because I was on better pace many and many times (best runs were 10sec faster), but the amount of luck needed to finish it off without loosing time is demoralizing. In 99,9% you die, or RNG makes you loose ...

Marvin

Level 5, 11sec improvement. Had some better runs, but never got as good ending as here. A bit lucky, since my shield was very critical. Btw the only strategical differences from old run were using vulcan for opening one door and (and that turned out to be very important) switching for concussion ...

Marvin

Back with new run! I remember, when I did L1 (1:26) a few years ago, I thought 1:25 is max for me. I tried that and it felt like even tie my 1:26 is not possible at all, haha. Took me 2 days to understand better all the details and 1:25 felt possible again. And not only that, I believed 1:24 aswell ...

Marvin

It happens rarelly, because usually it means instant death, but for example start of secret level 3. Most of the time it means loosing nearly all shield, but it is a must, because there is no other fast solution. Same with green platforms in level 26 (before blue key). But in most cases it is ...

Marvin

So, I kept going, did multiple 2:25 and 2:24 runs until I did this 2:22. The start (from beginning to hostages) was close to perfect. Best pace I ever had. Rest wasn't that perfect, but there wasn't significant time lost anywhere neither. Reaching exit was a bit sloppy, I though I missed last green ...

Marvin

To be honest, I have never tried. But twice as fast should be doable on insane. If it is on hotshot it can be done in 1 minute, long time ago I speedrunned all levels this way.

Marvin

Once I was 5 secs faster than this 2:26 run while entering reactor room. That actually felt really close to perfect. Unfortunatelly last part was total mess and I finished with same time at the end..

Marvin

Realistically any time better than this has to be all RNG. That was as close to a perfect run as I can imagine. That is because you don't speedrun it. I see many small imperfections in execution in that vid, which resulted in few lost seconds. And I actually improved it to 2:26 now:). Still not ...

Marvin

Good RNG is a must. But since the level in general is simple, it is not unimaginable to do. Besides this 2:30 run I did twice 2:31. In comparison, improving Level 3 I posted few days ago is harder.

Marvin

Level 2, 9secs improvement. I should be able to go under 2:30 if I try more, but I'm fine with this run. I don't plan playing more this year. Maybe I will come back in future:).

Marvin

It has been over 2 years since I played. I'm back with one more improvement. I rewatched my runs and realised I'm really not satisfied with Level 3 run. Old run was 3:09. After multiple improvements I got 2:49. Still not perfect, but I don't think I can go under 2:45 in any case, so I take it. https ...

Marvin

That is indeed good advice. In open space the best aiming technique is by sliding. At least for me. Basicly you are evading shots by robots and aiming at the same time. Since I was not satisfied enough and had the momentum on this level, I thought I should try it again. I did so, and improved from 3 ...

Marvin

Charging the fusion is very useful. What exactly is the problem for you? You have trouble with ship shaking? Or is it for some reason against the intuition for you? You can believe me, once you learn it, you will have a lot of fun with it:). I tried that level one more time today evening and ...

Marvin

New route for secret level 3! Not sure how much is it faster, but it has to save 10 seconds at minimum, 15 maximum I guess. Anyway final improvement from old run (my oldest run of all levels) is by 28 secs. This map would be really fun to speedrun if there was not that much roaming. In the run you ...

Marvin

When we speak about skipping cloacks, it is pretty much possible to skip cloak in level 18. But it saves just a few seconds and it makes things much harder. At the end I refused to use that skip. In level 16 even 2 of my cloaks can be skipped. It would save about 9 seconds in total. But this level ...

Marvin

It is still much harder to execute the plan than find it:). I found many strats later, because years ago I was not skilled enough and I simply thought I can't use some faster solutions. But yeah, once you stick with some route for serious time, then you can be easily blind to different and better ...

Marvin

It has been a few months ago, but I didn't postit here, so... I improved L7 again. Someone gave me a tip on youtube, how to improve my route. So obvious! You can pretty much skip the cloack in blue doors. It saves over 10 seconds. Maybe even 15. There was no serious trouble to learn it without the ...

Marvin

L4: Improved a few times during a session. Best run was 6 seconds faster than old rec. After that I stopped, I'm fine with the run. Easy level, but one green hulk is annoying, he is "always" at different place. This time in energy center which is best option in my eyes. Also you have to be carefull ...

Marvin

Kinda surprised this thread is still going. Hey, Avder. This thread was "dead" many times during last years, but I always came back after some time and pushed it closer to limits. All levels were improved multiple times. I still have two more runs I didn't post here yet (L4 and L7), so I will do so ...

Marvin

Once again I proved myself I'm still improving when I recently tried L7. That level feels so easy now. I improved my time really quickly 4 or 5 times. Best run was 16 seconds faster than old one. I take it. Going faster is hard, mainly because of boss fight. Vid soon..

Marvin

L8: This one is one of the harder levels for speedrunning. At start you can see I shoot way too many lasers to drillers protecting blue key. That is because there is also lifter exactly behind them. Blue doors area is sometimes totaly random because of roaming, but that doesn't happen that much ...

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