DescentBB

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:56 am**

if your leader/s declared war on canada. what would you do?

reasons for war? sorry. all the information i'm giving you are that your leader has declared war on canada, and is going to send in troops. you are already enlisted in the army (not drafted).

do you go?

if not.. then what do you do? would you as a soldier turn on your own government? is this legal? is failure to do so illegal?

some questions i'm pondering.

serious topic. don't dodge the subject with canada jokes.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:48 am**

EDIT: NVM. Rather then take away from the topic I'll stop myself right here. Though I'd like to note for the record I think this scenario is pretty laughable. Just my opinion though.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:51 am**

We need more information, or at least the scope of what we can assume to be true or similar to contemporary Canada. Or are the letters C-A-N-A-D-A in sequence supposed to have sentimental meaning or something?

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:17 am**

canada has sentimental meaning? well, i suppose so.
attacking your friendly neighbour, would feel like attacking your own country. but if your leader told you to do it, anything less than "YES SIR" will be unamerican and/or illegal.

so i'm wondering how strong your ability to say no is.

your assertiveness as individuals, your measure of your ability to see yourself as seperate to your country. your loyalty to yourselves VS your loyalty to your country.

i thought canada would be an interesting target for the hypothetical, because it's the closest thing to killing your true cultural fellow man. it guarentees hestiation - allowing your mind to play out it's ethical dilema.
a dilema that this thread is designed to bring to light in absense of the real thing. the power of hypotheticals.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:41 am**

I really could care less about a general Canadian essence, the word Canada, or what Canada means to me. Granted, I live in New Mexico, but that's just the way it is for me.

Now, if the case may be, I would not want to have war declared on innocents, but you haven't provided information to that regard, and this thread doesn't seem to be anything about that.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:00 am**

Since there would have to be some kind of build up prior to the war, there would also have to be information given as to why. Contrary to what you Aussies may blindly do, We Americans want some kind of justification for a war being initiated (me waits for Vanders and Birdys response disabusing me of this notion) especially against a long time ally and friend.
Contrary to most armies, Americas troops are trained to question orders if they are grossly mis-appropriate.
So I would say no to a out of the blue order to attack our northern friends. On the plus side though, where would the draft dodgers go?

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:14 am**

*very loud cough*

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:40 am**

Isn't my country at war with Canada allready?

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:50 am**

woodchip wrote:Contrary to most armies, Americas troops are trained to question orders if they are grossly mis-appropriate.
So I would say no to a out of the blue order to attack our northern friends. On the plus side though, where would the draft dodgers go?

x2

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:45 am**

Only if it doesn't turn that damn music down!

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:15 pm**

They have oil up there ?

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:29 pm**

Jeff250 wrote:Or are the letters C-A-N-A-D-A in sequence supposed to have sentimental meaning or something?

nope.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:50 pm**

Jeff250 wrote:Or are the letters C-A-N-A-D-A in sequence supposed to have sentimental meaning or something?

I'll give you three tries.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:06 pm**

Flabby Chick wrote:Isn't my country at war with Canada allready?

Your country is at war with just about everybody.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:42 pm**

Duper wrote:
Flabby Chick wrote:Isn't my country at war with Canada allready?
Your country is at war with just about everybody.

ROFLMAO, I'm sure they have even been at war with the moon at one time.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:20 pm**

Duper wrote:
Flabby Chick wrote:Isn't my country at war with Canada allready?
Your country is at war with just about everybody.

The only reason they aren't at war with the US is because we pay them enough not to be. Although google USS Liberty. Interesting read.

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:03 am**

Strange post, but if you're looking for excuses, here's some help:

j/k j/k j/k

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:54 pm**

Celine Dion is reason enough

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:31 pm**

Tyranny wrote:Celine Dion is reason enough

x2

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:51 pm**

But... but we can't kill her! HER HEART WILL GO ON!!

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:00 pm**

omg ...

LOL

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:22 am**

roid wrote:serious topic. don't dodge the subject with canada jokes.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:38 am**

Robo wrote:
roid wrote:serious topic. don't dodge the subject with canada jokes.

how can anyone take a topic like that seriously?

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:41 am**

Actually roid,from what I understand, we have been Very close to going to war with Canada .er.. twice in the last 30 years or so. Mostly about commercial things and taxes ..oops.. Tariffs.

Question .. wth would americans defect to THEN? mexico?

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:03 am**

is it really so preposterous kurupt?

every culture is at war with itself in some respects. religious, idealogical. it doesn't take much of a shift to kick things up to a more extreme gear.
there's already a war on drugs, which the usa president has indicated* makes canada somewhat of a "target" in usa's eyes.
(*even though the world is kindof learning to ignore all "indictations" from this guy anyway. but i digress.)

i asked some questions in the first post.

if the answer seems obvious to any of you personally, then please tell me all the same. it's not obvious to me.

i wonder if most of you are too afraid to think about the question.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:32 am**

Your question is so unrealistic we can't answer it.
You can't be in the army here and not know the reason given for the war...plain and simple.
So it's hard to choose between duty and common sense when you know that particular choice wouldn't ever come up in real life.
Knowing what we know about our system your question doesn't have a correct answer and we just don't want to pick between two wrong ones (presidential elections excluded).

If I had to guess what the outcome would be I'd guess there would be a majority of people who would refuse to fight without knowing the reason for the war...a lot of people would be in favor of removing the commander from power for ordering a war without reason...the congress would be outraged...the lawyers would be boiling over...the hippies would get major wood over finally having a real cause to protest...Geraldo wouldn't know which hat to put on and he would explode thinking about it....Crosby Stills Nash & Young would do a big comback tour...and the Canadians would be pissing in their pants

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:55 am**

Will Robinson wrote:Geraldo wouldn't know which hat to put on and he would explode thinking about it....

That is the best reason I have ever heard for delcaring war on Canadia.

But seriously, we already own them so why would we invade. Aren't they our Northern Resource Area?

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:19 am**

I'm too afraid to think about the question. *shudder*

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:35 am**

i think the question was rediculous roid. for this reason:

nobody in the service here would go to war without reason. we will go to war for reasons that seem good but were found to be false later on (like the wmd's for instance), but we wont just be like "man, i hate those head flappers. lets drop the bomb."

you'll find we aren't the barbaric immoral assholes that foreigners stereotype us as. well, most of us anyway.

we'd impeach a president for getting a blowjob, so i'd imagine we'd do the same for one who starts a drunken barfight with another country. and i'm sure the presidents all know that coming in.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:46 am**

Will Robinson wrote:They have oil up there ?

ROFL

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:28 pm**

If we were to ever go to war with Canada to get rid of Celine Dion then im all for it. World peace will be abound.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:11 pm**

Yeah, and then there would be a new opening for another act in Vegas.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:57 pm**

At the very least if we did go to war with Canada, the Canadians would at the very least wind up with a decent conservative govt.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:31 pm**

If someone declares war on Canada, it won't be New Zealand. Quite apart from our complete lack of ability to even defend our own country, we possess a singular lack of motivation to prosecute a war against a fellow member of the British Commonwealth.

If someone ELSE declares war on Canada, then for sure, we can send about 30,000,000 sheep, armed to the teeth (as food-on-legs, and good-sweater-making-material basically) and all four of our own soldiers, complete with clapped out WWII .303 rifles, and an old Bren Gun.

Posted: **Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:48 pm**

DCrazy wrote:But... but we can't kill her! HER HEART WILL GO ON!!

WE MUST STAB HER IN THE HEART WITH THE ANCIENT BONE SABRE OF XUMA KAHN!

IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO KILL THE REMONSTER err CELINE DION

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:39 pm**

Nuke the bastids .... Nukem till they glow.

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:12 am**

kurupt wrote:we'd impeach a president for getting a blowjob...

Actually, we impeached him for LYING UNDER OATH about getting a blowjob. But I digress

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:38 am**

Pugwash wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:They have oil up there ?
ROFL

More oil in the Alberta oil sands then all the Arab states put together.

And if you attack us, I'll make sure our 4 mounties, 3 canoes and our army of beavers are sent out pronto.

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:39 am**

If any situation that would arise out of any war with our northern neighbors would be CANADA & USA go to war to with QUEBEC since they hate everyone and want to be their own country anyways.....

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:41 pm**

BUBBALOU wrote:If any situation that would arise out of any war with our northern neighbors would be CANADA & USA go to war to with QUEBEC since they hate everyone and want to be their own country anyways.....

That's because they think they are French.

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